I was confronted by my kids mother and she asked me if I smoked weed in front of our son. The truth is I have. He is 15 years old. I am of the opinion that being honest with our children helps us to be a better guide than gaslighting and hiding the truth. I have had many conversations with both of my teen kids about cannabis. We have talked about how it can be a great alternative to western medicine at times. We have talked about the power of intention when working with substances like cannabis. We have talked about the stigma that exists with something like cannabis even though it is legal. Is alcohol better? I really don't think so but I am sure that is up for debate. We have also talked at length about the traps that come with abuse of it. I have been vulnerable with them about my own addiction issues at times and where it has been a crutch for me. I believe our children learn more when we are vulnerable and seek to guide as opposed to attempting to control them. We were all 15 at one time and most of us have considered smoking pot and had it around us somewhere. At the end of the day, a young adult will make their own decisions anyways. I believe it is better to be an ally over an adversary. I would love to hear from others on here on how they would approach this.
Thank you for reading. 💚
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822 sats \ 15 replies \ @k00b 15 Sep
My parents did a lot of drugs around me growing up but always lied about them. They were sharing "cigarettes," snorting nasal medicine, the little mirrors were for applying makeup, and they went into the bathroom with groups of their friends for long periods of time for protection. My weekend sporting events always culminated in a huge rager at one of the coach's houses (where at some point late in the night the head coach's wife would lick my eyeballs, Bert would put slugs up his nose to sneeze them out in front of us kids, and I'd wind up locked in a closet as the youngest teammate).
In some ways I'm glad I didn't know what was going on, especially with the harder drugs. Although, it was confusing for me and admitting it might've been the best thing for my parents. The accountability might've saved them from divorce, the loneliness they find themselves living now, and their continued addictions.
I smoked pot for the first time at 12 out of a pipe my friends made out of tinfoil. One day before school at 14, I drank so much tequila I puked on the bus, blacked out in a bush before class, then was wheeled to the middle of principal's office where I puked again and finally put in an ambulance. In high school, I'd steal pot from my dad during our monthly visits passing over the powders in plastic bags. I started growing pot at 16, reading a book about growing in my classes (I had fashioned a cover for it). My mom lived with her boyfriend when she wasn't getting arrested or entering and exiting rehab, and my younger sister lived with my aunt, so I was mostly left alone and had drunken get togethers with a small group of friends most weekends. I flunked out of high school at 17 and moved out.
I'd only do things around my children I wouldn't mind them doing.
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1145 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
Thank you for sharing your story. I do think that if we survive our crazy parents, mine were really something, it makes us stronger. I wouldn't change anything about my path. I agree that I wouldn't do things around my kids that I don't want them to do. I know that my son is the type that is going to try things, he is my son, he has me in him, I see his strong will. So I think it is better to share a positive perspective on these things. To me, there is nothing inherently bad about smoking pot. But if he does it, I want him to be mindful and self aware about it.
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206 sats \ 5 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 15 Sep
I know you’ve spoken/written about your childhood in other threads, but my god you’ve been through some shit. Obviously I don’t know you personally, and I don’t know what you do outside of SN, but I think it’s wonderful how you’ve turned out, especially considering what you’ve gone through.
As I wrote this, I realized it’s really hard to not sound condescending in this statement, so I hope it’s clear that I’m not trying to be that way, but rather am trying to leave a genuine representation of my perspective.
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258 sats \ 4 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
Why is it condescending? I find the most brilliant interesting people come from struggles. In the past, I have wondered if my kids will lack character after not going through as much. I think it's just different paths create different strengths. It's all divinely right on time.
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41 sats \ 3 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 15 Sep
I think it could be interpreted as condescending, like “no one expected you to do anything good, we’re surprised you did.” I wanted to make sure it didn’t come across that way
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124 sats \ 2 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
I get it. I don't think you came across like that.
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11 sats \ 1 reply \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 15 Sep
Whew 😅
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
I think @k00b knows everyone loves him here.
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272 sats \ 4 replies \ @pillar 15 Sep
That's some rough shit. If I can be honest, I'm amazed at how well you've turned out given your circumstances.
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420 sats \ 3 replies \ @k00b 15 Sep
Thank you. It certainly left its mark but it's not all bad. Hard times make strong men and all that.
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131 sats \ 2 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
Own that shit. You are awesome and in part you have those "shitty" experiences to thank.
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110 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 15 Sep
For sure we don't know what'd be safe to change without changing good things about who we are. I'd risk it if it meant I could have a real sibling relationship with my sister, but that's about it.
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110 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
Its hard as fuck. I am on the outs with just just about all my family. We are on different paths. But I am tight with my kids and that is the most important thing to me.
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294 sats \ 1 reply \ @Coinsreporter 15 Sep
I'm really touched by your past! So glad to see you reach such heights even after all the shit you've been through.
I was also raised in kind of same situation. I've written so much in my story #510163 here but not this part. I just want to forget how my childhood was stolen due to my father being behind the bars for one stupidity in his life. I had to sell newspapers, work for 500 INR a month on a shop and even when my father came out, our conditions didn't improve for he used to drink a lot and talk a lot about his past which had not been so great to talk about. His addiction to alcohal had a lasting impact on my studies and I had to turn to teaching in private schools for supporting family. As I'm the eldest of my siblings, I had to grow up early. I had to leave my house at the age of 16. I had to do a lot of things which I otherwise hadn't done.
For my confession, I first had never taken any drugs. Only once I had tasted some tobacco which I couldn't handle and left. When I grew up like 25 or so, then only I had my first drink. I also drink but very occasionally and in very limited quantity and in a manner like the elites or royals do. I believe that alcohal isn't bad but if it changes the way you see the world after drinking, it's bad.
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20 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
Thanks for sharing.. I love that shifting my perspective and I don't judge anything as good or bad. It just is. Its all just experiences. The choice we get is whether or not we grow and learn from the experience or not. For example, eating mushrooms changed how I see the world, Is that bad? I also got drunk and rolled my truck. It sucked. Was it bad? Not to me, I learned a valuable lesson. Drinking always changes how you see the world, even if you don't think it does. just like drinking a coca-cola does, or watching TV. All consumption changes how we see things. But can we discern what is best for us and adapt?
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151 sats \ 0 replies \ @oliverweiss 15 Sep
💯
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241 sats \ 3 replies \ @grayruby 15 Sep
I don’t smoke but if I did I would be honest about it with my oldest (14) but I would not smoke in front of him.
I do occasionally take a gummy. My wife was working in the cannabis industry until she needed to take time off to recover from surgery. She used to get sample products all the time. We always made an effort to keep them out of sight of the kids.
But that’s just our thing. Doesn’t mean you are doing it wrong.
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20 sats \ 2 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
Well i keep things from my kids at times also. But I never gaslight them. Thats the key.
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11 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby 15 Sep
I don’t think keeping something from your kids is gaslighting them. If they ask you about it and you make them feel their suspicion is unfounded or unfair that would be gaslighting.
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20 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
I agree.
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220 sats \ 5 replies \ @siggy47 15 Sep
I had many discussions with friends about this issue. Even amongst the real stoners, only one set of parents smoked in front of their kids in high school. My wife and I smoked a lot of pot between us during our lifetimes, but we both had more or less quit by the time our daughter was born. I wouldn't smoke in front of my daughter even now, and she's 23. I'm not making a moral or ethical judgment, though. It just would make me uncomfortable.
She was and is aware of our history.
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43 sats \ 4 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
That is my main point, is that no one wants to be gaslit and lied to. I wasn't proud that I smoked in front of him but I was honest about where I was. And we talk about the issues with it at length. Now he can use that information to make better choices instead of just being confused.
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110 sats \ 3 replies \ @siggy47 15 Sep
Yes, we talked to our daughter a lot about it. Pot was everywhere when she was a teenager. She definitely smoked her share, as did her parents at her age.
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43 sats \ 2 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
Its a pretty natural thing to want to experience for most kids. And if they feel safe to talk with you about it, that's awesome. Kids want to feel safe. you don't want them to feel like they need to lie.
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110 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 15 Sep
Our daughter confided in us a lot, although I'm sure we didn't know everything. There were times I didn't want to know! I told my parents nothing. Those were different times.
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43 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
Yeah. That's how it was for me to. I want my kids to look to me for guidance. Not keep things from me. Times have changed for sure. And despite what the tv says, I think we are getting better as people overall.
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330 sats \ 1 reply \ @Golu 15 Sep
So far, I don't have kids but I've some kind of Alcohal addiction. Hopefully I leave it in time so that I don't be ashamed in front of my kids. I also smoke but only after drinking so that's not an addiction for me. If I can leave alcohal, I'll also leave smoking.
Even alcohal has a lot of health benifits, that doesn't make it acceptable for regular use. I also believe that every drug can be medicine if you take them in limited quantities.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
Anything can be medicine. Just depends on our intentions.
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150 sats \ 3 replies \ @IamSINGLE 15 Sep
As I am single, I don't have kids. Thankfully my father doesn't have any addiction for anything, not even tobacco chewing which is very common in my location.
When I'll have kids, I can't, I won't do any of the activity in front of them which I can't see them doing.
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11 sats \ 2 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
Wait, your single???
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11 sats \ 1 reply \ @IamSINGLE 15 Sep
Of course I'm. I'm enjoying youth until I'm spoiled.
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11 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
🥳
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141 sats \ 1 reply \ @ZezzebbulTheMysterious 15 Sep
I think the main idea is to stress the danger of substances on the growing brain — literature shows that people getting into THC at a young age end up being less successful.
Once you are a grown adult and your brain is mostly formed, have at it!
(But everything in moderation, including moderation).
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
You could give a small child mushrooms and it would just get them to see how important nature is younger. The younger the better before they get programmed into the matrix. It depends on the "substance". to many things are lumped into drugs. And to many toxic "medicines" are called medicine. Thats just my opinion.
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120 sats \ 1 reply \ @fm 15 Sep
My kids are still young..
So i try to avoid smoke everything in their presence..
But, one day, i hope i can share a joint with them.
How can you be a good parent if you dont teach them about drugs?
I guess teaching prohibition is not the best way.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
Its a good experience getting to share that kind of thing with your kids. I kept it from them when they were young. Now I can lead by example. They are going to do it anyways. Why not teach them the best way and be their ally in their journey?
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32 sats \ 1 reply \ @OT 15 Sep
My dad used to hide it. Its funny, we always thought our dad would just have 1 cigarette a week. Then we found out what it was when we became teenagers and also found that he had a plant growing in the backyard. That ended up causing some trouble, but I won't go into that.
Now I'm a father its something I'll have to think about more as the kids get older. I don't smoke myself, but I don't know if demonizing pot is the right way (my wife thinks like this).
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101 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
I think taking to them about it is good. But kids are smart And if you demonize it and tell them, never do that, many kids will want to try it. They are probably going to do it if they are going to. Not all kids, but many. So a balanced discussion seems best. My ex would completely disagree with me and agree with your wife so who knows. That's why I thought it would be an interesting discussion.
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1100 sats \ 1 reply \ @flat24 16 Sep
I think you are absolutely right. In this case we are not talking about smoking in front of children of 5 or 9 years old. These are teenagers of 15 or older and in my adolescence at that age it was already easy to see all kinds of things in the street, at parties, schools etc. And that was more than 20 years ago, that is to say, today everything is more degraded at a social level in the street and drugs reach every young teenager or adult sooner or later. And if their parents have never spoken to them and shown them the reality, they are easier to influence.
On the other hand, I do not consider cannabis to be just another drug, I consider it to be something that is highly stigmatized by society - but which society? - those who live asleep and drunk month after month immersed in their short cycle of "morally superior" platitudes.
Regarding alcohol, it is normalized because the owners of that industry are old families, the same ones that keep everyone asleep and obviously they need a catalyst that atrophies your brain 🧠 as you consume it and time passes.
I personally grew up in an environment where if the family heard that someone was smoking marijuana they were immediately labeled a Stoner (a term they use for people who smoke crack 💀) But on the other hand, it was well seen that at 13 or 14 years old you got 🍻 drunk at a family or friends party, or that you fought with other people for being 🤬🍺🥴 drunk, that was and is in a certain way normalized and even encouraged by uncles, grandparents or parents. Growing up in this environment, I started drinking alcohol very early at 13 years old. And to be honest, it was on the verge of becoming a persistent problem for me and my family. Between the ages of 14 and 16 or 17, more or less, it was a terrible spiral, with more and more parties, more alcohol, partying with friends, weddings, quinceanera parties, even funerals were places where people would settle, there was a lot of alcohol and you would come out dazed.
During that period, I saw and got to know a lot of drugs without trying any of them. I had a lot of acquaintances who used everything from shoe glue to ecstasy, and above all cocaine, the most unpleasant thing that can exist, and of course marijuana.
It wasn't until I was 17 or 18 that I tried marijuana for the first time, and it was immediately a kind of click. But marijuana and alcohol in excess don't usually go together very well. I learned that the hard way from some experiences that I might write about one day very soon.
To sum it up, right when I was 21 my awakening began in a certain way (which never meant anything to me, until now. I rewind and understand it all as a hidden sign that came to me back then before I even knew about Bitcoin). Right at 2️⃣1️⃣ I made a definitive decision! Quit alcohol 🚫 and only smoke 🍁 marijuana, I compared the two on a scale ⚖️ and obviously it will always lean in favor of the plant. I left university and the career imposed by my mother, I stayed without alcohol for more than two years, I dedicated myself to working and finding who I was and what I wanted, and while all that was happening I was learning more about cannabis and smoking more, and I only smoked marijuana, I did not ingest other drugs. That led me to focus more on my tastes and desires. I started skating with a Longboard, I moved away from home and became independent from my parents, then I started studying photography and working with that in tourism and so little by little I found my way as a free person, who did not want to live under the standards of other people, or models foreign to my desires. Thanks to that, I gave myself the opportunity to escape from my environment. Since it awakened in me the desire to go out and explore other places, and the certainty that my real goals in life would not be found in the neighborhood where I grew up. And in the neighborhood there are only two options: the slow route, being a normie worker from Monday to Saturday, or the fast route, which has an average life expectancy of 18 to 25.
And I refused to choose either of the two, I escaped from there and designed my own path and now I am freer than ever, now that I know and learn about bitcoin every day I can better define my course and my path forward together with my family.
Thank you for your post and allowing me to express these memories, while giving an opinion, thank you 🤝🤠
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 16 Sep
Thank you so much for your thoughtful response and sharing some of your story. It fills be with gratitude 💚
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110 sats \ 2 replies \ @030e0dca83 15 Sep
Here comes the problem, I never smoked pod and I'm childfree atm
But I do a lot of other crazy stuffs
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8 sats \ 1 reply \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
Me too, everything I do is crazy by mainstream standards. Doesn't mean its wrong. You do you!
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11 sats \ 0 replies \ @030e0dca83 16 Sep
Just follow your philosophy and enjoy the moment
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11 sats \ 0 replies \ @LowK3y19 4 Dec
I think weed isn’t that bad at least it’s not looked at as it use to be 15 years ago.
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11 sats \ 0 replies \ @SatsMate 16 Sep
I don't have kids.... Maybe on a special occasion like a wedding or a big celebration, but not casually throughout the week. Anything habit forming or addictive I would want to try and limit around my kids.
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11 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satoshi__Nakamoto 15 Sep
I dont smoke,
I think we should do smoking in frount our kids
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11 sats \ 2 replies \ @160ed04091 15 Sep
i strongly believe Smoking pot in front of children or using any substance raises concerns about modeling behavior and the potential impact on their understanding of substance use. Setting a positive example is important in guiding their own attitudes and behaviors toward substance use.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
The point of the story was that it is better to be honest and vulnerable than to gaslight your kids. Whether or not pot is a "good" thing for anyone is completely subjective.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
Did you read the whole post?
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11 sats \ 5 replies \ @Msd0457890 15 Sep
In the 20 years that I have been alive, I have never smoked anything. My parents have always warned me and told me that if you fall into that world, you never get out (except for those who manage to rehabilitate themselves), and I know that if I ever have children, I will do the same as my parents.
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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
That's narrow minded in my opinion. It isn't black and white. Altering our perception can be huge for healing and spiritual growth.
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110 sats \ 0 replies \ @flat24 16 Sep
I totally agree, denying the existence of something or making it a taboo doesn't really prepare you to face the world.
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11 sats \ 2 replies \ @Msd0457890 15 Sep
I have always been very open to all the topics that sometimes cause controversy in the world (religions, genders, thoughts, everything related to sex) and I share some things and others I don't.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
My point is saying that if you smoke pot you are going to go down a path that is no good is narrow minded. It is good medicine for people. It's western medicine that keeps people sick and small minded. I am not a fan of anything that is a pill or white powder. But plants are powerful. I encourage people to see the difference.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 15 Sep
And it's not for everyone. Some people like keeping things simple and are afraid of what they may feel if they open up.
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11 sats \ 1 reply \ @cryotosensei 16 Sep
Could this be a reason why you sometimes can’t sleep at night?
I think the only answer is the one that is right for you and your family.
I agree with your reasoning. I feel teenagers respect us more when we are willing to be authentic in front of them rather than maintain a holier-than-thou attitude.
I can’t smoke weed in front of my children; it’s prohibited in Singapore. So the law has decided for me.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave OP 16 Sep
I don't dictate my life based on the laws. I live by my own law. I am not sure what you are referring to in regards to my sleep pattern. There are many things that keep me up at night. I am a very sensitive person. Sometimes it is physical. Sometimes I am thinking. Sometimes vivid dreams wake me up and keep me awake. I do not habitually smoke pot anymore. Its a rare thing now.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @398ja 16 Sep
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