This is a pretty experimental release.
boost changesboost changes
- the highest boost in a territory over the last 30 days is pinned to the top of it
- the highest boost across all territories is pinned to the top of the homepage and rewards page
- all items can be boosted indefinitely
- your own posts and comments now have a flipped bolt (distinguishing them from other posts), allowing you to boost them beyond the edit window
- the job board is now ranked by boost
- territories with an "auction" ranking system (only ~jobs can do this currently), use boost to rank posts in
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- territories with an "auction" ranking system (only ~jobs can do this currently), use boost to rank posts in
The hope in general is this serves as a significant revenue source for territory founders.
70% of fees go to territory founders70% of fees go to territory founders
Previously, founders got 50% of fees in their territories with the other 50% going to the rewards pool. Now, they get 70% of the fees (posts, comments, boost, zap sybil fees) and 30% goes to the rewards pool.
30% sybil fee is taken on zaps30% sybil fee is taken on zaps
Previously, we took 10% of zaps for ranking sybil resistance. This is insufficient for real sybil resistance. People still sybil zap their own subpar content at 10% so we've increased this to 30%. 10% isn't a whole lot for the outbound route for p2p zaps either.
As always, that sybil fee that's left over from the territory founders revenue goes to rewards.
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Previous release: #683598
That flipped bolt is such an eyesore! I loved how easy it was to find my posts with the empty space. Why not just use a B for boost? It would look so much better. Just a thought.
I have to agree. I'll enjoy it as it is for a while to see if my eyes adjust, but at the moment it feels confusing because it isn't different enough.
You might be right. We'll let breathe for a bit. ek wanted to use this (to save him from scorn):
:) looks nice!
I agree with you. It's eye catching in the wrong way.
There was some discussion in the PR about this
Example Breakdown of Zaps
100 sat zaps before: 90 sats to receiver (10% sybil fee) + 5 sats (50% territory revenue) + 5 sats (50% rewards)
100 sat zaps now: 70 sats to receiver (30% sybil fee) + 21 sats (70% territory revenue) + 9 sats (30% rewards)
Getting zapped is nerfed, while rewards are powered up.
I'm excited to see how it plays out. That 30% cut is probably going to make it so we stop using zaps for our various pools, which is a little disappointing.
Yes, that's a valid point. Maybe the president doesn't like pools.
Yeah, for the survivor pools and such that's gonna be interesting. I've added 2k to 5k sats to pools I don't even particularly take part of. What's a work around do you think for the pools and such, which I think are one of the aspects of the community I enjoy the most!
We'll just have to do lightning invoices and then trust whoever's running the pool to do the accounting honestly.
I agree but also hate that "trust" haha. The NFL Survivor pool is like 350k sats.
We can start using ecash for these pools, so at least the rug pull will be indiscriminate 👀
Either way we're trusting the person to actually pay out. The only real difference would be a lack of transparency about how large the pool is.
True true. I suppose I had wishful thinking, but I also trust GrayRuby as he has incentives by owning the sports territory. Uneducated question, would DLCs or Cashu/Fedi mints be a solution in the future for something like a trust less pool? I'm not too familiar with either however.
No idea. I think reputation can handle this for the foreseeable future.
We'd need a zap that doesn't affect ranking so people can pay each other with zaps as if you would when using their lightning address.
A zap button on our profile solves that.
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Maybe we need to overhaul the lightning address button in every profile. It currently only shows a QR code on press so you can pay using LNURL. It should give more options.
Having more options in that button will be cool:
Yessss… DM on SN need a pump up too! A way to make it easier and more intuitive to send messages over lightning
Yes. I think that's important.
Yeah. 30% cut on 10k buy in is a bit too much. We will just find another way.
Thanks for the explanation as this will affect how I arrange pool prizes.
Thank you for this, it’s very helpful
Btw, just realized this is a 420% increase in revenue for founders, lol (21/5 = 4.2)
edit: damn math, 4.2 means it's an increase by 320%, not 420% (1.0 would mean no increase)
It's 420% of the previous income share, though. English to the rescue, where math failed.
you're streets ahead
Great phrase: "Streets ahead" is verbal wildfire!
Pierce Hawthorne
I would go even further: 50-60 sats to OP and the rest distributed.
Rather than ask what a sybil attack is, I just used the search function to find out if it's been asked before, and yes, it has! #515998
So long story short if I had multiple accounts to zap my own content to boost it (and the zaps would go back to me anyways) instead of a 10% bleed to the house, SN would rake a 30% cut. Ouch.
@amaluenda said: "Sybil Attack is an assault where one entity illegitimately assumes multiple identities. This is akin to a single person casting multiple votes in an election by pretending to be many different voters. In the digital realm, this can undermine the network's integrity by allowing an attacker to exert a disproportionate influence. A real-life example of a Sybil attack can be observed in the realm of social media platforms, where it's not uncommon to see entities creating multiple fake accounts to manipulate opinions or trends."
Bolt's animation (zap undo) doesn't work. \cc @ek
mhh, works for me even with triggering a zap undo
zap undo works but the animation doesn't. (google chrome)
mhh, I was able to catch the bug once in the beginning:
edit: maybe it's related to custodial sats as @WeAreAllSatoshi mentioned in #692268
I tried it and the animation works if the item already has a zap from me, otherwise it doesn't work.
It happens to me every time on an item I haven’t zapped
Edit: it seems to work when zapping an item I’ve already zapped
I fixed the bug, will soon release
Thank you!
Did we recently lose the pulsing zap icon for cancelable custodial zaps?
no, not to my knowledge and experience
edit: mhhh, I think I see what you mean, it doesn't show up sometimes
Every change generates different criteria. Every platform must evolve in its actions.
For me, SN is a PoW platform with added rewards. I always, and I say always, come out well rewarded, every day, even if I haven't stacked so many SATs, which in my opinion, MINE, are not few. But I always come out with knowledge. So if the work team understands that these changes will improve the platform in some way, then welcome. From the whole explanation I understood that before what was sent to a stacker, 10% was discounted and now it is 30%, if that is going to allow the platform to improve and last. My applause.
While I like the breakdown of zaps, I feel the zap amount is going to be lowered.
And what if Stackers keep on zapping their subpar content even after it; which imo they can.
They'll pay everyone else with good content more than they were before.
Let's see how it goes, I've mixed feelings. But, it's definitely a good move for territory owners. Out of 100, 21 goes to them. How I see it they they only require an 15000 Sats zap daily on the territory to maintain it. Territories are gonna be in profit for sure.
I like it. Make them pay.
The new 'Boost' symbol is useful for post visibility, but couldn't it be made more visually appealing? For instance, using a simple 'B' could make the design clearer while maintaining functionality. Previously, the empty space made it easier to navigate and find posts. How could the user experience be improved without losing efficiency? Thanks for taking the time to read and consider these suggestions for a better interface!
Shipping a change now.
The boost can be applied to comments too?
yes sir!
OMG this is so fucking awesome! I can even boost a post / comment even that is not mine!
Interesting. This could create a bidding war situation.
Kinda the point ;)
Very interesting, sometimes I get lost in the thread of the conversation, being able to identify what I wrote about others is appreciated.
This.
This backwards bolt confused the shit out of me lol
Looks a bit like the Waffen SS jolt...
Also, and suspiciously, the ~Stacker_Sports logo. How much do we really know about this @grayruby character?
Following your post , I have searched and I have learnt what a Sybil attack is and Sybil resistance means. If this is what it is needed, fair enough, I hope it helps.
Sheesh I’m so out of it
30% now? @k00b youre getting greedy now...