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210 sats \ 7 replies \ @DarthCoin 13 Dec
LOL when somebody start with that bullshit term, is clear that have no idea what is talking about and is just spewing state bullshit propaganda.
sovereign citizen = oxymoron, it doesn't exist, it can't exist.
A sovereign individual cannot be a citizen.
Citizen mean city employee, you are under a contract, you are a slave.
You cannot be a sovereign slave LOL.
See more here: #665318 and here #520700
This is the dumbest video ever.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Lux 13 Dec
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 13 Dec
Could it just be that the statists have done a very good job of indoctrination? He is so confused that I don’t think he could grab his own a** with both hands.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford OP 13 Dec
Nah, his main issues are around the tricks and magic phrases not that the state is evil and oppressive.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 13 Dec
I would guess that is why I have never seen this meme before. I just considered Bernie to be a punching bag for the political classes, even though he says all the right magic words and phrases. He understands that his time has passed and is retiring.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford OP 13 Dec
I found it interesting. He mentioned there's not a uniform name of defintion. I guess you didn't watch it.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 13 Dec
I watch some parts to see if the idiot in the video really knows what is talking about.
But he continue with the bullshit "sovereign citizen". That's a clear sign that his video do not have a strong base of knowledge and is just bashing around state propaganda.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 13 Dec
I'd never heard anyone talk about the origins. For what is worth I have heard people self identify as sovereign citizens. I agree that this is an oxymoron statement but it would seem there are people that use it themselves. Others that have differces. Honestly curiois. I will say I find this stuff pretty niave regardless of the labels.
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10 sats \ 9 replies \ @kepford OP 13 Dec
My big question about this whole philosophy is how can one believe as I do that the state is evil and at the same time believe that they will respect my natural rights if I can legally or verbally show them I am not their subject or whatever? From what I have seen the judical systems of the world do not respect their own rules, practices, and "laws". They railroad people all the time. I don't have the " faith" that even if these people are correct that it will be honored. I have no interest in becoming a martyr.
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48 sats \ 8 replies \ @Lux 13 Dec
From what I saw, once you demonstrate responsability and knowledge of the game, they respect you.
This, of course is much simpler said than done, especially considering that almost noone knows this.
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0 sats \ 7 replies \ @kepford OP 13 Dec
And this is what I mean... Seems like almost no one "knows" and what is there to force them to respect your rights. There's a lot of trust there, no?
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21 sats \ 6 replies \ @Lux 13 Dec
i wouldn't call it trust.
Every officer/clerk... has to follow rules, they are predictable, a cog in the machine.
Responsability is the ability to respond to situations, instead of reacting mechanistically.
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0 sats \ 5 replies \ @kepford OP 13 Dec
And theres the rub. They don't.
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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @Lux 13 Dec
true, all are humans.
the law has remedies, there's always a higher instance, someone "above".
depends on the situation.
And I know what you're saying, but everyone has to put bread on the table, at the end of the day
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @kepford OP 13 Dec
I have a friend that was a cop for a while. He cited some folka that tried this stuff. They lost
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200 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 14 Dec
"this stuff" is not a game. Is really serious thing and require a lot of study and practice. Many so called "sovereign citizens" are just dumb ass ignorant that learned some phrases on youtube and they think that they are above any responsibility.
Those are doing more damage than good. Because if you go rampant and do whatever you want without being responsible for the consequences that's not sovereignty, is stupidity.
I confronted the state, cops, judges in real life. And I won. Why? Because I knew where are my limits and where I am right and presenting irrefutable proofs to them. Literally shutting them down.
But yes, depends also of each case and how do you behave, what you say, what you did.
This meme is funny but is based on true damn facts, literally that happen in a court room
I asked the right questions and they just let me go, because I did NOTHING to be considered a crime or damage, just be myself.
I am not saying that this is the magical phrase that will let yougo from any jail time. I am saying to do your own research (like Lux did also) and find YOUR WAY (not just follow my way). Important is that you are well educated in this matter and you know what are you doing.
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100 sats \ 1 reply \ @Lux 13 Dec
I don't know the details of what and how they tried.
I have a friend that is a master at this, and he doesn't waste time with cops.
his car looks completely normal, but he is not the owner on paper, he has multiple trusts
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undergotten 13 Dec
I met one of these guys at a Rainbow Gathering a few years ago. He never came out and said it, but he was talking about having obtained his death certificate or something like that, being really cryptic. Really nice guy. Early 20's. Didn't strike me as violent or malevolent in any way. Just a bit crazy.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Lux 13 Dec
They have to tell you, and they do, but people are lazy, and they don't make it easy
motor vehicle https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=18-USC-1582046849-1388884878&term_occur=2&term_src
non citizen https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Certificates-Non-Citizen-Nationality.html
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