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Apple to pay $95 million to settle claims it used Siri to eavesdrop on customers www.cbsnews.com/news/siri-civil-lawsuit-settlement-apple-iphone-eavesdropping/

2596 sats \ 45 comments \ @siggy47 3 Jan security

I really don't understand how people still use these products.

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57 sats \ 1 reply \ @DEADBEEF 4 Jan

I’ve never once had an ad show up for something I’ve talked about. Then again I stay off of social media, run ad blockers, and have my browsers clear everything on shutdown. I also feel like a tool talking to my devices so I never use their smart assistants.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nym 4 Jan

I have but it was just coincidence

82 sats \ 1 reply \ @JesseJames 4 Jan

$95 mil? "It's cheaper to keep her" :-)

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 OP 4 Jan

Sure is

124 sats \ 7 replies \ @Satosora 3 Jan

I have that happen all the time, and l dont use voice help. Google alexa is just as bad.

20 sats \ 2 replies \ @siggy47 OP 3 Jan

I think Alexa is Amazon, but all the big tech companies are probably doing it.

41 sats \ 1 reply \ @Satosora 3 Jan

Which one is googles?

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 OP 3 Jan

I think it's called google assistant

20 sats \ 3 replies \ @grayruby 3 Jan

We have a case!

40 sats \ 2 replies \ @Satosora 3 Jan

Im sure if apple is doing it, the other ones will also have lawsuits coming up. Just a matter of time. Unless everyone becomes less sensitive to it?

60 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 OP 3 Jan

I think most people just say "yeah, I thought so", and accept it.

81 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora 3 Jan

That is how I feel. Even though we are losing our privacy, people are okay with it because of the help it gives them. People dont realize its encroaching on their rights. Soon they might disappear.

83 sats \ 1 reply \ @PictureRoom 3 Jan

Wow, thats a drop in the bucket for them though

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 OP 3 Jan

Exactly. It's not a deterrent.

83 sats \ 14 replies \ @grayruby 3 Jan

Have you ever had one of those instances where you are talking about something and then you go to Google it and it populates with the exact thing you were talking as soon as you start typing?

40 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 3 Jan

Yes, many times. It's creepy and insane that they're allowed to get away with this

40 sats \ 12 replies \ @siggy47 OP 3 Jan

All the time. I'm in the minority in a house full of Apple users, too.

61 sats \ 7 replies \ @grayruby 3 Jan

I don’t even have Siri turned on and that still happens.

40 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 3 Jan

geeze is fucking insane

60 sats \ 0 replies \ @mo 3 Jan

that's normal. People don't even realize and think these are kind of coincidences.

40 sats \ 4 replies \ @siggy47 OP 3 Jan

Yes. That's the point of the lawsuit. Siri is turned on surreptitiously.

81 sats \ 0 replies \ @shadowybadger 4 Jan

The wildest part is that Apple can settle but still don't admit they were actually doing it.

41 sats \ 2 replies \ @grayruby 3 Jan

Some times it does seem like a coincidence. If I say “I wonder what the score of the game is” and then go to google and start typing in MLB it is highly likely it is going to suggest mb scores.

But the craziest one I have had is a few years ago we were Christmas shopping at Indigo which is our version of Barnes and Noble and I mentioned this board game they had on sale to my wife as I thought my son might like it. I have never seen this game before or looked up anything similar. I wanted to find out what the reviews for the game were like and I go to google and literally the first letter I type the name of the game pops up. That was so creepy. Only possible if it was listening.

40 sats \ 1 reply \ @Satosora 3 Jan

I remember a few years back there was something about how one of those programs recorded a domestic violence case. I cant remember fully what happened, but 911 might have been called.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 3 Jan

Wow

40 sats \ 3 replies \ @mo 3 Jan

not sure is about apple, is about the permissions you grant to the apps you install

40 sats \ 2 replies \ @siggy47 OP 3 Jan

Can you explain further? I don't have an iPhone, but I think in this case Siri was turned off. Can it be removed from the OS?

81 sats \ 1 reply \ @mo 3 Jan

You mention Google, well check all your google apps and the permissions they have to access camera, mic, etc... in your phone settings, it happens on android too.

40 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 OP 3 Jan

No doubt. I use a graphene OS pixel without any Google apps, and I'm not confident I'm safe either.

41 sats \ 0 replies \ @galt 4 Jan

Wake up, convenience provided by big tech is a trap, people have no problem (willingly or not) giving up their data and privacy to the highest bidder just so that they don't have to think

41 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 4 Jan

Some people live in blissful ignorance.

Others just accept the convenience-privacy tradeoff.

I see the appeal of the latter, because I do often feel like privacy is a fool's errand.

41 sats \ 0 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 4 Jan

Just imagine that!! I wonder which three-letter agency had their hand in this situation. I don’t know if Apple would have done this, otherwise. They aren’t in the same category as Google, Facebook and Twitter(before X) are.

41 sats \ 0 replies \ @Jon_Hodl 4 Jan

Cost of doing business.

I’ll bet the data they harvest illegally with Siri is worth 20x a petty fine like $95mil.

41 sats \ 10 replies \ @ek 3 Jan

If the settlement is approved, tens of millions of consumers who owned iPhones and other Apple devices from Sept. 17, 2014, through the end of last year could file claims. Each consumer could receive up to $20 per Siri-equipped device covered by the settlement, although the payment could be reduced or increased, depending on the volume of claims. Only 3% to 5% of eligible consumers are expected to file claims, according to estimates in court documents.

Violating your customers' privacy is simply low risk and high reward—essentially a no-brainer.

Btw, let me guess, you posted this in ~security because ~privacy was too expensive. I don't mind, just find it interesting. I would have done the same in your position 👀

33 sats \ 5 replies \ @siggy47 OP 3 Jan

Yes. You are exactly right. It's not the first time I avoided those 600 sats, either. I guess I'm a cheapskate.

41 sats \ 0 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 4 Jan

Who isn’t a cheapskate when it involves hard-to-earn sats? I am not a BTC innovator, so I don’t own even a quarter BTC.

41 sats \ 3 replies \ @Skipper 3 Jan

Can someone explain to me what those icons next to your username are? How do i get the horse and gun? 😊

10 sats \ 2 replies \ @siggy47 OP 3 Jan

I don't know the exact details, but I do know you need an attached wallet.

41 sats \ 1 reply \ @Skipper 3 Jan

i already have an attached wallet, with NWC and a lightning address.

i know the hat is related to my zaps, but i don't know what the horse and gun mean or how to get them i see a lot of people with it

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 OP 3 Jan

I think you have to zap a lot for the gun, and post a lot for the horse, but I could be mistaken.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 4 Jan

Is there any good reason to throw good sats down the drain? Whoever is running ~privacy is asking everyone to go elsewhere, as long as there is competition. Perhaps the territory owner needs to reflect a bit upon economics.

51 sats \ 2 replies \ @shadowybadger 4 Jan

Can we create privacy_cheap? :P

41 sats \ 0 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 4 Jan

I am not in the know about that one. @ek, @siggy47 or @k00b would be the ones to answer that one.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 OP 4 Jan

Sure you could, but you might not think it's cheap- you can found the territory for 50k sats per month.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @IamSINGLE 4 Jan

Did something wrong with people and paying in the court.

How is it justice for people?