Only 2 of 50 territories made 100k last month, both found by k00b. Can u guess👀 \ stacker news ~meta

Only 2 of 50 territories made 100k last month, both found by k00b. Can u guess👀

797 sats \ 99 comments \ @realBitcoinDog 22 Oct meta

In the last 30 days, ~Bitcoin earned 540k sats in revenue, and ~meta earned 125k sats. The rest can't make enough in revenue to cover their monthly dues of 100k sats/month.

Thank you @Coinsreporter for providing me this link! https://stacker.news/top/territories/month?by=revenue

In weighing whether @DesertDave should keep ~alter_native, I've also weighed whether @grayruby, @Coinsreporter and I should co-found ~AITA.

@Malachi17 said he'll definitely zap the posts!

@jeff and ~econ definitely have trouble getting enough revenue to cover their dues. @Undisciplined is already subsidizing the territory w/ 25k sats/mo per this post #637435

But like @grayruby said #735607

Sure. I will invest in you @realBitcoinDog.

So are we starting an "Am I the A-hole" territory to make revenue, or really, to invest in ourselves? And what does that say about us xD

Who wants to join the seed round of funding? While I'll be the founder, it'll be easy to split the sats earned each day in revenue to the founders, maybe through bolt 12 or something, and i can split revenue of my posts in AITA too!

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329 sats \ 2 replies \ @HODLR 19h

~Lightning is the third territory just breaking 100k this month.

Thank you to all participants for joining the conversation, in particular: @Rsync25 @Scoresby @supratic @mega_dreamer @Alby @root_lib @fewsats @aljaz @_ds @03bc2a54dc @pycan @0xbitcoiner @Filiprogrammer and many more 🙏

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 18h

~lightning not ~Lighining 🤠

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 18h

BULLISH

40 sats \ 3 replies \ @IamSINGLE 23 Oct

There are already enough territories unless you come up with a very different one from others.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 23 Oct

An [AITA] would be a subset of AskSN. Cuz I wouldn’t subscribe to ~AskSN it’s too broad, but I’d subscribe to a very narrow ~AITA territory to see all of its posts.

And to encourage more of that content!

50 sats \ 1 reply \ @IamSINGLE 23 Oct

So you basically mean to copy another territory.

Why do t you just copy ~Bitcoin then? IMO, that would be the game changer.

I've a suggestion though. Create a territory with the name shitcoins and make fun of them inside it. I see a lot of funny things coming out from that space too.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 23 Oct

Haha oh no I’d have to post everything as @anon!

52 sats \ 6 replies \ @poe7645 23 Oct

Guess I'll have to start zapping @Public_N_M_E for music harder.

51 sats \ 3 replies \ @Public_N_M_E 23h

Please do, I am hemorrhaging cash floating the territory. 🤣🤣

In all seriousness, it's V4V zap whatever you feel is appropriate and proportional to the value you feel you're getting.

31 sats \ 2 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 21h

@TheWildHustle is getting value!!

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Public_N_M_E 20h

Wilds providing value aswell with all his great stuff.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 18h

Yes he is!

87 sats \ 1 reply \ @realBitcoinDog OP 23 Oct

yes 😈

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @poe7645 23 Oct

🤘🚀🤘

51 sats \ 5 replies \ @Coinsreporter 23 Oct

I'm just not in favour of founding a territory for fun. When @DesertDave launched ~alter_native, my first impression was like 'oh, this is nothing new' but the way he introduced with posts and info for it made me more interested towards it.

What I would love to see that I/we can found a territory which is distinguished and would be intended for long run. I don't have a very concrete idea to launch a territory for now but when I'll have, I aim to do it for a lifetime, maybe starting with a year subscription model to later on convert it into a lifetime.

So, I was saying we must be serious to think about a plan and execution of a territory because it involves real economy/money.

As of now, I don't think any of the territories have made any sort profits but revenue must've increased after the shift in Sybil fee.

10 sats \ 2 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 23 Oct

Got it ok sounds like you’re out for now! Haha

I agree it shouldn’t be rushed into haphazardly

31 sats \ 1 reply \ @Coinsreporter 23 Oct

No, I'm not instead I'm all in.

I just want we first discuss what we envision with the territory.

40 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 23 Oct

Let’s discuss. We’ll do it on a podcast with @grayruby? 👀

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Satosora 23 Oct

I thought you were going to make an indian territory?

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 23 Oct

Why? There's no need and I've always opposed to create a country or language specific territory.

It was @BitcoinAbhi who wanted one to accomodate Hindi speaking people.

129 sats \ 16 replies \ @Undisciplined 22 Oct

Whether or not ~Bitcoin or ~meta really make money is hard to decipher, because it's kind of a shell game for @k00b. He's the payer and payee of those territory fees, as well as the primary zapper of those posts (I think).

30 sats \ 3 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 22 Oct

What are you really saying? There’s no hope for any territory founder to directly make back their 100k in sats thru revenue?

We only make it back as an advertising platform to sell our books, merch, or consulting services beyond the site?

Not saying there aren’t altruistic reasons too!

114 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 22 Oct

We've known this was highly unlikely until Stacker News grows significantly. That any territories are breaking even is great, as is others being close.

You can also factor in how much you make back in activity on the territory: i.e. my ~econ posts get zapped, as do @grayruby's sports posts. We need the territories to exist for that.

Most territory owners are doing out of humanitarian reasons though. They want to build a place for bitcoiners to have these communities.

54 sats \ 1 reply \ @realBitcoinDog OP 22 Oct

Right yes you found the territory to find a home for posts you want to make, ultimately!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 22 Oct

I've given some thought to founding ~undisciplined, but it would have a huge overlap problem like ~alter_native, including an overlap problem with ~alter_natvie.

33 sats \ 11 replies \ @k00b 22 Oct

I hardly zap in ~meta. I generally don't want ~meta stuff on the front page.

~bitcoin on the other hand would be interesting to figure out. I zap ~bitcoin like a mother zaps her first born (assuming it's on topic and some muppet shouldn't have posted in a more relevant and cheaper territory). I guess we'll need spending breakdowns by territories at some point.

241 sats \ 10 replies \ @Undisciplined 22 Oct

Ha! I guess it's just the rest of us who love ~meta and keep it represented on the front page.

209 sats \ 9 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 22 Oct

I LOVE ~meta

I find the idea of SN fascinating now that I’m here. Especially the transparency

20 sats \ 8 replies \ @Undisciplined 22 Oct

You're not alone in being fascinated by SN. If you look at my top posts, most of them are in ~meta.

29 sats \ 7 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 22 Oct

And now you know it’s not the founder @k00b zapping them! 🤣

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @Undisciplined 22 Oct

I suspect he is zapping them, just not as much as the field is zapping them.

37 sats \ 5 replies \ @k00b 22 Oct

I zap them especially when they are good (not "I got a cowboy hat!"), but I kind of cringe when any of the top 5 stories are ~meta.

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21 sats \ 7 replies \ @Satosora 23 Oct

I have the feeling if you dedicated the time and effort to just post in your territory, and convinced others to post in your territory, it would become profitable eventually. I dont know the timeline for eventually is. @DesertDave how is everything going since you raised the fees?

20 sats \ 4 replies \ @DesertDave 23 Oct

It's going great. It's not "profitable" yet, but I am looking at it long term. I have noticed a good increase in rewards with the fee change. I think 44 sats is good for now. I want to keep it very accessible.

21 sats \ 3 replies \ @Satosora 23 Oct

Thats good. Have you decided to keep it?

41 sats \ 2 replies \ @DesertDave 23 Oct

Yes. I was always going to keep a territory but I was debating on changing it a bit. I have paid for a year and I am planing to get it paid off for lifetime in the next year. Then I never have to think about profitablity. Just stack sats

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Jon_Hodl 23 Oct

This ^

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 23 Oct

I like 44

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @DesertDave 23 Oct

I don't pay attention to what it makes. I just enjoy it for what it is. I am mining from the sun so that is my main way of staking.

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 23 Oct

Bitcoin is a force of nature!

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Malachi17 7h

Zap the posts, don't tip the posts over, zap the posts...

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 6h

🎶

10 sats \ 5 replies \ @User21000000 19h

Should you just lower the territory fees?

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 18h

Well we don’t want spam of too many territories and it’s a direct source of revenue for SN and it gets the founders to try to get more users.

Would @grayruby have recruited me if he wasn’t the founder of ~Stacker_Sports?

10 sats \ 3 replies \ @User21000000 11h

Yeah I get the spam thing but even at a lower monthly fee until the user base grows then increase. Spam territories will die either way if the support and posts aren’t there?

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 7h

This is correct! Hey I’m fine with it territory fees undergoing a halving to 50k/mo!

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @User21000000 7h

And as the profits and community grows increase them

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 6h

A progressive tax system, if you will! 🤣

10 sats \ 4 replies \ @DarthCoin 22h

I think you are getting it wrong: k00b is paying more sats than he made with bitcoin territory or with the entire SN. I don't think k00b made SN with the main goal "to make money". Yes at certain moment must be a balance between spending and earning, otherwise economically is not feasible.

But I really do not think k00b and his founders want this SN to get rich. Bitcoin territory is more to keep something for SN and also as a main revenue to cover the loses. On the other side, he offer to others the opportunity to create their own territories and manage how they want.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 15h

I agree.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 21h

I’m sure the Hive Mind VC wants SN to increase in valuation from $25M, but yes you’re right the goal is to make a happy fly wheel of user growth from great content, like you posting your journey!

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 18h

Just almost 1 year ago I warned stackers about this situation: #342479

Darth is always right. Remember that.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 15h

There it is!

10 sats \ 2 replies \ @Public_N_M_E 23h

Does anyone know if the "stacked" also includes founders posts costs? Or if that comes under "spent".

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @realBitcoinDog OP 21h

#736363

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Public_N_M_E 20h

Thanks 👊

10 sats \ 5 replies \ @Jon_Hodl 23 Oct

These numbers cant be right. Bitcoin has done 540k sats in revenue in the last month but only 603k sats for the whole year?

31 sats \ 1 reply \ @Public_N_M_E 23h

Good to see ~Stacker_Sports is only 0.4mil shy of breaking even. GR doing great work over there.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 21h

Indeed! @grayruby was how I got referred to SN. So I could lose money to him in his pools 🤣

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 23 Oct

You’re right it’s as if all data for ~Bitcoin didn’t start until 9/19. Why would that be @k00b?

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 23 Oct

All my territory revenue went to rewards before then

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 23 Oct

Wow so ~Bitcoin really is the top territory BY FAR!

I mean makes sense, @DarthCoin is there almost exclusively, but still!

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @alphabeta 23 Oct

@koob is a hardworking pioneer and deserves the earnings as for us we need to figure out a way to earn more. Transparency is one thing but dragging meta and their namby pamby figures is just injustice.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 23 Oct

Better content LETS GO 🫡

10 sats \ 12 replies \ @flat24 23 Oct

I think the following, maintaining a territory month to month is something complicated, at least from my perspective, the pressure of paying month to month, or the pressure of generating something above the quota to pay generates a strong extra pressure. Here I consider that the most viable option is to pay the territory for life, and only focus on recovering the SATS invested in acquiring that territory.

10 sats \ 4 replies \ @Jon_Hodl 23 Oct

If you're thinking long term, the only way it makes sense is the 3 million sats.

The 100k a month is suicide. At the very least, you have to do a full year, generate some revenue, then combine that revenue/zaps that with your own stack before the end of the year to buy the other 2 years.

That's the best way to minimize risk and overhead while still being able to get the territory for life.

10 sats \ 3 replies \ @flat24 17h

Thank you for explaining, I understand that there is only one way and it has to be to make a single payment and just focus on working to recover until you get to the point where you get some profitability! The path to follow is with a long-term view, always!!

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 15h

Low time preference 🫡

Also that 3 million sats gets a lot more expensive as time goes on!!

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Jon_Hodl 15h

Also that 3 million sats gets a lot more expensive as time goes on!!

This.

I don't think sats are going to get cheaper in the future which is why I am trying to found a lot of the more generic territories for life so we can ALWAYS post in them.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 15h

Thank you!

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 23 Oct

U got 0.03 Bitcoin ready for the cause? 🤠

10 sats \ 5 replies \ @flat24 17h

Not yet, but I'm heading there! I already have 0.00001 and I'm stacking more to eventually found my own territory, and it will be something that will blow up SN! Rest assured ✌️🤠 If you want to contribute to reaching that goal faster you're welcome.

40 sats \ 4 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 15h

Hey 10,000 sats is enough to partner with @grayruby, @Coinsreporter, and me!

20 sats \ 1 reply \ @Coinsreporter 15h

That's not 10k, look again.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 15h

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @flat24 14h

Thanks @realBitcoinDog for the offer, but I'm not interested in becoming a partner in projects unrelated to my cause... Good luck and much success on your journey!! I will continue, slowly! But surely on my own 💪🤠 and I hope one day to have the necessary amount to found that territory I have in mind to make the SN community explode.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 11h

I’ll be watching 👀

10 sats \ 6 replies \ @ChrisS 23 Oct

What’s the difference between revenue and stacked in the picture?

20 sats \ 5 replies \ @Rexdentron 23 Oct

Revenue : Sats that goes to the founder's wallet Stacked : Sum of incoming zaps to comments & posts within that territory Spent : Sum of outgoing zaps from zappers within that territory Post & comment : Sum of posts or comments within that territory

CMIIW @k00b

10 sats \ 4 replies \ @k00b 23 Oct

Bingo

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 23 Oct

Did @k00b lose his horse?!

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 23 Oct

How does spent get measured tho? How do u know zappers from within the territory? Is that zaps from OP?

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 23 Oct

It’s what’s spent in the territory - posts, comments, and zaps on those things

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 23 Oct

Got it

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @south_korea_ln 23 Oct

19.6k for ~science. Seems fair. Slowly but steadily going up.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog OP 23 Oct

🫡

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby 23 Oct

Getting closer. Used to only bring in around 20-30k revenue the first few months.