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I already proposed this on Github in Nov but SN was busy with the damn wallets thing. If we will not have No leaderboard, no rewards at least we can have:

Separation of rewards for each territory

What does it means this?
  • Each territory will have its own ranking assigned to each stacker.
  • Each territory will have its own rewards pool and leaderboard.
  • SN can take a cut from that rewards pool as a "tax" or call it whatever you like but they have to take something. But that cut should not go to the general SN pool. In fact the global SN pool doesn't make sens in this situation. Stackers will get each day or whatever period a reward from their participation in that territory. But ONLY if they participate in that period.
  • Stackers ranks will be different for each territory. If you post more in Sports, and you get upvotes etc, your ranking increase ONLY in that territory, not also in other ones where you do not post at all or you mostly get downvotes.
Why this proposal?
  • some stackers (if I can call them that) are using the ranking and general SN pool to assmilk the rewards. In other words, are posting bullshit crap in obscure territories just to get more ranking and rewards from the general SN pool.
  • some stackers even create new territories with the only goal to boost their rewards with crap posts and zaping each others
  • If I want to donate to a territory pool, I do it because I want the participants to be rewarded. For example the bitcoin_beginners, where we start having nice and interesting conversations and good noob questions. I do not want to donate to a pool from which is rewarded only assmilkers that were ranking each others in another territory.
  • If a stacker that barely post in a territory will not have the same ranking power with somebody that is posting regularly in that territory. MAKE THEM PAY.
Additional I proposed here #722919 in Oct 2024 a separation of upvotes from zaps. I still stand for it.
I hope you stackers see this as an alternative to the assmilkers mess we have now.
Interesting. I don’t hate it. I never expected to make anything on my territories. I use it as a place to blog.
I think the 100k sats in the rewards pool daily alone brings a lot of assmiking. I remember when SN didn’t do that. I think if that stopped the assmilking would go down a lot.
Plus the rewards ranking never made any sense to me. Some random guy with 2 posts and a few zaps would out rank me by a lot. Hahaha once I saw that I thought this daily ranking is a total joke
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Not only will assmilking be reduced, but you'll also start seeing posts and comments that are actually worth reading.
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I came around to Darth's side on the daily rewards donation and stopped making mine.
I still like the rewards system, but it should be organic to stacker news usage. Subsidies create distortions in the market. It's basic ~econ.
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Aww! Look fellow founders @grayruby @Undisciplined @IamSINGLE! Our territory has its first mega super fan!!
I was told that like Bitcoin, SN is permissionless
Take away the power to create territories again is another option! Only the Sith deal in absolutes
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57 sats \ 2 replies \ @siggy47 18h
If I'm not mistaken, I think what you're proposing is actually the plan @k00b is looking to implement. Maybe I'm nuts, but I can swear I saw it somewhere. Regardless, it's a great idea for many reasons.
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Yes, long-term I think territories are supposed to become self-sufficient. I think I also read that somewhere.
Right now, the current circle-jerk of about 100-200 (?) daily stackers is likely too small to make that happen, me think. SN needs to grow first.
Anyhow, too much focus on what other people do and don't do with their time. Mute the people you don't like. Mute the territories you don't like. Don't care what other people do with their sats. Opt out of the reward system if you don't like it. And make direct donations to people rather than to the reward pool if you don't want some people to profit. I'm not sure I get what all the fuss is about.
I've used alt accounts for the wrong reasons once or twice. Other than riling myself up behind my screen, I did not achieve anything with it.
Yet, I believe alt accounts serve a purpose. Just don't let it consume you.
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I've definitely seen k00b mention this as the goal. I don't no that it would entirely replace site-wide rewards, but I know he wants each territory to be able to design its own rewards system.
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Great proposal, Darth! I remember when you first suggested this. But honestly, I doubt they'll implement it because most stackers would probably leave SN. You have no idea how many even the wealthier stackers are here mainly for the rewards.
And honestly, stop pushing it. Some idiot said Darthcoin is just jealous that others are earning rewards while he spends countless hours here and can’t climb the rankings. It’s @k00b who allowed all this, and I don’t even care anymore because he’s the one paying. I’m done caring about SN. I’d rather mute all those assmilkers they’ve basically won and made us look like fools.
You too, I’d suggest focusing on creating guides, posting, and commenting to actually help. Just making posts and comments with no real impact is pointless.
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Yeah I saw that many people still think I am on SN, nostr, Telegram to earn sats or be famous... They are totally wrong. I don't give a shit about being famous. That's not my goal. In fact I will retire soon and nobody will know anymore about me.
For almost 6 years continuously dedicating my time to Bitcoin. Nothing else matters.
As I said many times: In 2019 I stopped doing my regular job (IT consulting) and dedicate ALL MY TIME to help more people with Bitcoin. I literally stop doing anything else than testing more solutions, writing guides, giving p2p support (mostly merchants) and helping people online. 24/7, and never asked for a sat.
Without doing this, Bitcoin will be worthless. And I encourage many others to do the same in their community or worldwide. Stop being a leech, start being a seeder for the knowledge you accumulated. Bitcoin cannot go forward without a proper education.
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I know you're about to retire soon, and that's why I'm saying don’t waste your time on these shitbags anymore. I guess your home citadel will be finished this year, and you'll completely cut yourself off from us. I’d love to see the best of Darthcoin before you disappear. You have no idea how much your guides have helped me. Thank you for everything. Honestly, it’s my wish to meet you in person before I die, LOL.
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If I get the job I am aiming for in Spain, I will scour the mountains to find his citadel and offer him to have a beer or two with me. When I was running my routing node, he opened my eyes to the right way to think about each kind of node. Each node having its own role. Private and public, routing or not.
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you will be welcomed... my padawan. But maybe I am not in Spain... I just let the others to think that. People think that if I speak spanish, I live in Spain. Guys, I speak 4 languages.
My barbecue is ready...
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Well, you might want to revoke your welcome if you find out the job I am aiming for is a civil servant position (to do research)~~ I'd become a fucking statist.
The barbecue looks cool!
Take care.
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You're somewhere in Alps?
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Mustafar... where the lava makes excellent stake
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I'll launch Darthcoin hunt LOL
i dont know about it from a tech standpoint, but having different ranks per territory doesn't sound like a bad idea
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora 17h
I do like this idea very much. As SN grows, we have to keep the riff raff out. This would be a fair way to do that. Territory owners would become more in charge of their territories, if they let assmilking happen, eventually people will go to greener pastures. It will also make things competitive between the territories, forcing them to grow or be left behind. Also, l know that my interest do not align with some, so l would rather have a higher rank in one territory l enjoy than one l dont.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Aardvark 18h
I think a potential downside is that you may see a drastic increase in the volume of posts as people try to contribute to multiple territories for rewards.
I do think that it would help territory owners though, because it may drive more relevant content to specific territories.
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It would make the popular territories quite competitive but could see an exponential increase in nonsense posts as assmilkers chase those sats.
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Imagine this analogy... what if SN will be a whore house? A city where we have a lot of whore houses 😂😂😂 (aka territories).
The master pimp is SN that administer all the whore houses, but each house have its own "manager". The stackers are the "whores", assmilking clients (internal or external, it doesn't matter). So a "whore" is working hard and get ranking and rewards in a house, but will not get also a cut from other houses / whores. They must work together and with the manager if they really want to earn more, from their OWN work. If a whore is going to another house to work (assmilk), will still have to build his ranking up in order to earn a good cut from that house.
I think this example with the whore house is the most appropriate. OK now we are all whores here 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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21 sats \ 6 replies \ @Aardvark 17h
Just because I would post pictures of my feet online for sats doesn't make me a whore....😉
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Images you really shouldn’t spank the monkey at…. but do anyway
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Aardvark 16h
Challenge accepted.
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Lol. You have failed No Jack-uary.
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If Putin will be on SN...
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Fucking lol dude. 🤣🤣🤣
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So we have a lot of low grade sex workers running from house-to-house saying ‘take me, take me’ (assmilkers chasing territory rewards)?
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scenarios with whores are endless...
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Even though this was a meant as a slight towards me and the Sports territory I actually think the idea is a good one.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @flat24 14h
This is something quite coherent, separating the rewards by territory and not continuing as now in a general way. I totally agree that we should limit the Assmillker who only come here to collect.
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