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Mutualism is often conflated with two other types of ecological phenomena: cooperation and symbiosis. [...] Symbiosis involves two species living in close physical contact over a long period of their existence and may be mutualistic, parasitic, or commensal, so symbiotic relationships are not always mutualistic, and mutualistic interactions are not always symbiotic. Despite a different definition between mutualistic interactions and symbiosis, mutualistic and symbiosis have been largely used interchangeably in the past, and confusion on their use has persisted.
— Wikipedia, Mutualism (biology)

Satistics

DateSpentStacked (Rewards)PostsCommentsRewarded
2023-12-2813k8808 (n/a)235n/a
2023-12-2916.1k15.6k (5222)352
2023-12-3010.8k9752 (7026)141✍️
2023-12-3120.5k17.9k (4379)561
2024-01-0112.5k10.7k (7684)347✍️
2024-01-0216k19.5k (9353)636✍️
2024-01-0315.9k15.6k (6729)246
2024-01-0411.4k11.4k (3954 4093 4131)338✍️
2024-01-0511.3k11.4k (3954 4092)141?
2024-01-0666916282 (3665 3954)038✍️
2024-01-0780538503 (1219 3665)320✍️
2024-01-0888739164 (1219)212
2024-01-0958286808 (4649)2 634 35✍️
2024-01-1014.1k14.4k (4857)322
2024-01-1111.8k10.4k (4109)322✍️
2024-01-1287438016 (4778)341✍️
2024-01-1393939339 (3116)217
2024-01-1414.2k6697 (3533)441✍️
2024-01-1510.2k11.3k (3395)115
2024-01-16TBDTBD (2500)TBDTBD
One day, I will analyze my sleep using these charts. And then I will make a challenge out of it to have a very precise and accurate amount of sleep. Precise means here that I will be consistent about how long I sleep. And accurate means that I will have the amount of sleep that I planned for.
I also realized that there is probably indeed an optimal amount of sleep for every person (which also depends on their age). I noticed that I get a lot more motivated, happy, creative and funny [0] when I am a little sleep deprived. It feels like my brain is too tired to think about all these things I usually think about so I actually start to think about things I usually not think about or at least from a different angle. Or it's just less overthinking.
But with too much sleep, I get very demotivated. Might be related to less exposure to sun (since this means I wake up very late and then go to bed when the sun rises) but I think it's not only that. Everything feels sluggish. Like a slug.
me trying to get out of bed after I already had 12 hours of sleep

Recent Superzaps

1. Everyone I've met would be well-served thinking more about what to focus on

I'm starting to feel bad to mention @elvismercury so much here. But well, tHiS iS mY pOsT so I can mention whoever I want, right?
@k00b sent me the link to this post yesterday when I mentioned I don't know which post he is talking about. When he sent me the link, I remembered. When I saw @elvismercury's post for the first time, I started reading it but I fell asleep since I usually only partly "bookend" my day, as @Coyote_Cosmico nicely put it [1]. We were talking about focus since I mentioned I feel very motivated but I don't know where to best put all this motivation into. I feel all over the place with my plans what I should do and my attention span and focus suffers from that.
For example, I had plans to start a BitDevs in my city and it seems like I am actually going to do it. We don't have a location yet (but a Matrix server). I struggled for weeks to come up with a solution to this location problem. I didn't want to pay a coworking space a few hundred bucks just for a room for one hour for just 3-4 people (myself included) — that's too much commitment too early. But when I went for a longer very late walk a few days ago, I realized that I was still making things too complicated. We don't need a location. What did people do when they couldn't meet somewhere in the past four years? [2] They met online!
For the first meeting at the end of January, we planned that I would give a short presentation about bitcoin mining and then we would relive the early days of bitcoin by mining bitcoin using our CPUs. Since it will all be online now, I will setup a WireGuard VPN (using my own blog posts as reference) to connect our nodes.
As mentioned a few days ago, something similar to SNL but for developers (or anyone interested in the development of SN) also struck me as a potentially great idea. But that would (again) take up a lot of time and I only have so much time before I get overwhelmed and then just want to hide myself again and do absolutely nothing. Or as @orthwyrm would write it:
__@_'-' _@'-' @
There is a lot more I want to write about this phenomenon of "too much motivation", its relationship with sleep and my own experience with it but I notice I am already rambling too much (again) and I actually wanted to focus how much I liked to read the blog post. So I'll continue with my highlights:
When I was younger, I was never this lucky. It is partly because I was less skilled. But it is also partly because I would interrupt the nonconscious processing back then. Unintentionally, I would tell my brain to focus on something else—a conflict in a TV series I was watching, for instance. I would watch an episode before bed, and the cliffhanger would open a loop in my head. That loop would be churning in my head as I slept; I woke to a blank page. I don’t have time for that anymore. I make sure to always have an open loop concerning my writing. And I close every other loop—by wrapping it up as fast as I can, or by writing it down on a list, or, preferably, by not opening the loop at all.
I noticed the same. When I started this series, the words streamed out of my fingers. They still do but significantly less. I noticed that it's very related to my experience during the day. When I do a lot of different things (and have less sleep to have more time awake), I experience a lot more things that I want to write about (duh). I think this is related to this "open loop" that Henrik Karlsson is talking writing about. My brain had to process so much during my sleep that I woke up with a lot of ideas what I could write about and how — since I basically already was thinking about tomorrow's post the whole day prior and went to sleep with these thoughts; too tired to do anything else.
This also has a very nice feeling of symbiosis. To have something to write, I need to experience things I can write about. And to experience things in a more profound way, I need to write about them. Writing is Thinking.
And to get even more out of the experience (of writing), reading the comments from other people is highly motivating. It starts to feel like a flywheel that is turning itself. I can very relate to this though:
I didn’t tell anyone that I was writing a blog. Having my friends read it would have made it harder for me to experiment and do things that risked embarrassment or failure.
I used to be disappointed that none of the people I used to call my friends (that's a different story) were interested in SN. But now I am happy that my family isn't that interested in SN, too. If I knew they would read every post of me here, I would definitely feel different about writing all of this here. Even though I know I shouldn't. However, at some point, they are going to find out in some way about it though. And in some way, I am looking forward to that.

2. My recent BTC story: What happened with me yesterday (real story)

@kurszusz told us a real story (mentioning it's real makes it really real, I guess) the day before yesterday.
I liked reading it since I also find it very interesting what other people find interesting about bitcoin like @elvismercury:
It's interesting to know what other people find interesting about btc -- it's usually a very different set of things than what would occur to me, so it's a good opportunity to learn. I look forward to the update.
The most interesting thing for him was the finite supply of Bitcoin...He told me that 21 millions is not much, and it exist around 60 millions people who own more than 1 million $, and if this "ponzi asset" will be mediatized the price will go extremely higher, because of rich man and institutional investments... The second aspect he liked it, was that the "blockchain never forget", and every transaction is coded and encrypted, and anyone can see / verify it, because it is open source...
Sounds like that person's favorite Satoshi quote will be this:
It might make sense just to get some in case it catches on. If enough people think the same way, that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
I remember when I went to visit my parents and I had the Bitcoin Magazine that I got for free at btc++ in Berlin with me. My mom saw it and flipped through the pages; much to my anxiety but also curiosity what she is going to say about it.
She:
What is this?
Me:
A magazine about bitcoin. It's a digital currency.
She:
I don't like it. Don't do such things.
Me:
I work in this space since early this year.
That's when we both started to laugh and I explained to her in more detail what this bitcoin thing was. She initially didn't like that it was about money since she associates money with problems (understandably).
But when I started to mention that bitcoin was created right after the 2007-2008 financial crisis and that the anonymous creator left a message that clearly hints that it's a system designed to prevent similar crises, she got very interested. She lived through this time. She is also an immigrant from a country with an authoritative government that oppresses minority groups and with constant tensions between religious groups. In the past, I even heard plans of National Divorce aka Secession.
When she asked who is in control, I told her that no one is. Everyone is equal. There will never be more than 21M bitcoins. That's when I saw a spark in her eyes. She immediately got the value proposition of bitcoin in that moment.
We talked more about real estate and gold afterwards though and even my father joined in later.
Looking forward to the update from @kurszusz. It's been two days already.

Challenge of the Day


Song of the Day

You look so much different out of the rear view From this angle and the back of your head It looks a lot like somebody else And I guess that I could go it alone, well if I had to But I know it’s a long way down for nothing (Yeah)
The sight of your eyes got inside of my head I wanted your heart and got poison instead I spin around and see nothing but you I guess it’s been awhile since I had nothing to do

Sudden endings contain cliff hangers. But is that necessarily a bad thing?

[0] At least I think I am funny.
[1] That term immediately stuck with me and I will probably remember @Coyote_Cosmico forever as the "bookend stacker" now.
[2] Wow, it's really been four years now since the pandemic started. Is it finally over now? Feels like yesterday when I was sitting on a couch with my climbing friend (that had to friend zone me to save our friendship). We talked about our future. We both wanted to switch universities; partly because we then wouldn't have to see each other every day anymore.
I noticed that I get a lot more motivated, happy, creative and funny [0] when I am a little sleep deprived. It feels like my brain is too tired to think about all these things I usually think about so I actually start to think about things I usually not think about or at least from a different angle.
This feels true to me as well, but when I've looked into it the research seems to point in the opposite direction -- concluding that sleep deprivation reduces our ability for divergent thinking / creative problem solving. Maybe that's a different type of creativity though.
But it sure seems like there is a lot of anecdotal evidence out there of creative types doing weird things with their sleep.
I wonder if being tired specifically helps those people who tend to have an overactive "editor" part of the mind. Sometimes you gotta tire that fucker out so the authentic stuff can flow.
"When you're sleep-deprived I imagine it's quite similar to having taken certain drugs," says Bayley, who has a degree in neuroscience. "The logical side of your brain is slowly withering away because there's not enough energy to power it, and all these crazy ideas start happening that your brain would normally suppress."
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wonder if being tired specifically helps those people who tend to have an overactive "editor" part of the mind.
One of the things that happens during sleep deprivation is a loss of executive function. One way this manifests is less inhibition. One of the most important inputs to creativity is to de-inhibit: to do, say, try things you normally wouldn't. So that all makes sense.
However, on net, my sense is that you're right that the effects on this sum to being depressive in a whole bunch of ways. So you might remember the periodic punch-drunk goofy high points, but the overall trend is worse.
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50 sats \ 6 replies \ @ek OP 16 Jan
"I think not dwelling on it might be the key," says Berry. "When you can't think of anything else it takes over your day and you're lost from that moment. It won't rule my day ever again. I'm going to try to be in the driving seat."
"When my insomnia started I got so anxious, checking the clock every 15 minutes," says Bayley. "Eventually I just stopped caring. You lose the anxiety that is actually hindering you. Now if I can't sleep I get this peaceful excitement. I know I have time to try something out and have some fun."
Wow, this is it. This is what I decided to do, too. Just roll with the punches [0]. Be grateful for the extra time. But be smart about it. Don't overextend your stay in wonderland.
I had severe sleep problems since school. I still don't know how I survived school. Wasn't insomnia though. I was the one who always arrived too late. At some point, the teachers just gave up and accepted that I will not arrive on time, lol.
But I noticed how my sleep can vary a lot within a few days. I also know how I aced an presentation during school with zero sleep the night before. I just didn't care and felt so alive. I think my audience including the teacher saw that as being authentic (as you mentioned).
I still vividly remember the joke I did when there was a technical problem with the beamer (it shut down during the presentation and didn't start again). I looked out the window and said: "nice weather outside." The joke was that we closed the curtains so you couldn't see what was going on outside.
My teacher even told me afterwards that she gave me a wrong hint on purpose regarding the beamer problem to see how I would react since she was surprised by my performance. She wanted to see how far my authenticity would go and if it would break down on unexpected problems. She was a brilliant teacher. I miss her.
Thanks for this link.
Now I'll remember you for two things.

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Are our footnotes extra1

Footnotes

  1. maybe we should change the markup?
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No, now that I looked it up, I don't think we should change the markup. I simply never took the time to click on the markdown icon 1

Footnotes

  1. at the top right corner to look up how to use them. I also like the "academic" style of [0] more compared to superscripts I have to admit. But/Or I think it's just me being a nonconformist, lol. 2
  2. I also got very used to just creating manual footnotes. 3
  3. Impressive. This also works within footnotes. 4
  4. My main pain point with footnotes is the numbering though. If I edit my text, I still have to make sure that my footnotes are numbered in the right order. And the markup doesn't help with that, I guess?
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We can change the rendering if they're aesthetically unpleasing. I'm fond on HN's footnote fashion too.
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I love HN-style footnotes too, but always found it amusing here, since the explicit linking usually back-links to content one inch away that's still visible on the screen.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek OP 17 Jan
Mhh, I see. I think we should do that then.
Found another issue though:
The footnotes title renders pretty big as a root comment for some reason
And the reference to the note and the backreference is indeed really nice. I didn't appreciate that enough even though I implemented that myself in my blog.
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Should be easy to change. I never liked the heading or the backlink icon.
  1. replace the title with a horizontal line
  2. replace superscript with [1] link
  3. replace numbered list with [1]-like numbering
  4. replace the backlink icon by making the numbering the backlink
I'd be nearly satisfied with just (1) and (4).
Thank you for mentioning me in your article!
I'm glad you liked my article, and yes, it's a completely real story.
Have a nice day! :)
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Completely real you say? I'm starting to believe you.
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Yes, it is. I will continue the story (as I mentioned) once the next meet will happen with this person, and our conversation is developing in Bitcoin theme.
Btw...thank you so much for including me on superzaps. Really appreciated!
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Yes, it is.
Don't worry, I am just messing with you :)
Btw...thank you so much for including me on superzaps. Really appreciated!
No worries! I am sure the next one will be on here, too.
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I didn't know you were a climber (rock, I assume). Is that something you still do? I haven't gone in years, but in undergrad I was pretty into it.
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Btw, I mentioned multiple times already that I went climbing lol
For example, yesterday. That's also why I picked the Mission Impossible intro because it had multiple nice connection to the rest of the post (like everything I write).
How dare you not read all my posts!
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I usually only read far enough to find something to be petty about.
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So you had to read the whole post today?
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No, I found your obvious (and clearly intentional) slight towards me quite quickly.
For some reason, your footnotes caught my eye later. I don't know why.
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No, never climbed outside. Only went bouldering in Fontainebleau once. So all of my climbing experience is inside with top rope. I did a course for lead climbing but that was during the pandemic and I didn't find another mate to climb with again. (I have one in prospect though since a few weeks.)
My friend and me wanted to go on a climbing trip together. But I told her that feels too much like what only couples would do and I don't feel comfortable because of that.
Our friendship went downhill after that. But we recovered at some point. Took us a few years. But we also live 1-2 hours away from each other now.
But we wouldn't have worked as a couple anyway. Took me these few years to realize lol
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I imagine there are a lot of cultural differences on something like that, but I've gone on platonic climbing and camping trips before. Every situation is different, though.
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Yeah, it's definitely possible but climbing feels like the ideal sport for couples.
Going climbing together builds a very strong bond. You essentially trust each other with your lives since you belay each other. So it makes sense that I mostly saw couples in the climbing gyms.
When we did our top rope course together, we were the only ones who weren't a couple.
I also liked the security aspect of it. Every time before someone goes on the wall, you make sure they are secure with absolutely zero compromises.
Maybe that's one reason why I like ~security so much. Lives can depend on it :)
Damn I miss climbing lol
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Still watching and following with interest…
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slug - slugyis of today?
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Project: Hellfire Status: Active
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I call shenanigans on your list of yesterday's top spenders. I zapped out like 20k and was 2nd and 3rd for the rewards.
The world will know of your misdeeds sir!
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270 sats \ 5 replies \ @ek OP 16 Jan
The world will know of your misdeeds sir!
I sure hope so
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You have besmirched my good name and I demand satisfaction!
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I looked into the code yesterday but it didn't make fast enough sense why it does what it does. The code looked good. I found other confusing stuff though.
WebLN integration (including NWC) should be done this week. Maybe I can also squeeze in some time to fix the calendar. It's also annoying me. I blame myself since I was the guy who reviewed the code before it got merged.
But at least the bug is not discriminating against anyone :)
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You've just got an answer for everything, don't you?
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270 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek OP 16 Jan
I would consider that to be part of my job
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Watch it with the sass or I'll report you to the manager.
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so much more "competitions" on the zappers days, I see. 👀⚡️
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@ekzyis is a rampant purveyor of misinformation and I won't stand for it!
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me searching what rampant purveyor means... 😂
OP sent a post and leave everyone hanging, bad practice!
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So are we right to assume that you successfully orange pilled your parents?
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