197 sats \ 101 replies \ @DarthCoin 18 Oct \ on: Zapping More Might Solve Our Leader Board Wizard Issue meta
I zap wisely. And hidden, not all at once. Sometimes I came back to a post after few days and zap it again. Just for fun and to fuck up the whole algo.
Leader board is misleading and useless IMHO. That's why I removed / hide myself from it. Leaderboard should be disabled totally.
The game is not to be on the leader board, but to make Bitcoin useful.
I stand my ground: SN is not about playing a game of sats or zapping. Is about PAYING sats to say something. All the sats in rewards consider them as an extra or as somebody appreciate what you said.
Zap wisely because later you will regret it.
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FWIW... I love to go back and zap old posts.
Wait should I not be telling you this? Is there a risk in deanonymizing zaps?
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I could tell you my secret how I do that, but then I reveal an important secret here...
You will have to figure it out by yourself.
Leaderboard should be disabled totally. The game is not to be on the leader board, but to make Bitcoin useful.
I agree. In comment @k00b said that this:
Imo The biggest mistake we made was back in march when we capped rewards to the top 100. Someone getting even a few sats for the first time gives them some hope they’ll learn how to earn more #713031.
When I asked him why you don't change it, he replayed:
It's just not trivial and we have other things to do that have higher priority #713518.
I hope they will find time to change it as it was before.
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We could have countless games and ways to reward stackers on SN...
I even proposed a Quiz post option, where participants could earn sats for finishing the quiz.
Also I proposed the Badges system, that could start as incentive and later in trading badges...
The options are many, but the leader board is only confusing and create useless friction and false hope for earning sats.
Making the game harder will make people to appreciate more each fucking sat they get.
Now is too simple to earn sats on SN, and is wrong.
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That would probably be the ideal attitude, but the existence of rewards will attract people who only want the rewards.
I take zaps to be the measure of how much people appreciate what you said and rewards as the measure of how much you helped SN.
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will attract people who only want the rewards.
Opportunists that will never have anything good to say. Just assmilkers.
People should come to SN to learn more about Bitcoin and zap the answers they found helpful (wisely).
For me even 1 sat as 1 upvote worth enough for my post. That means the reader comprehend what I said. If they really want to reward me with more sats, so be it, but do it separately.
As I said here #722919: upvotes should be separated from zaps (sats).
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Number of upvotes are counted separately from sats zapped and they're given more weight, but both count. That seems right to me.
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This is where SN algo is wrong. It should not be like that.
One day will come a whale and zap randomly posts no matter what will be said in those posts. It could be even weird posts, porn or whatever bullshit.
And stackers will ask why those posts are on top, when should not be.
I myself I found some of my old posts zapped with a lot of sats, even that were not worth it. Some anon is doing that few time per month.
You have been warned.
I stand my ground: zaps must be separated from upvotes algo.
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Money playing a role in content discovery is why I am here.
The whole internet has been likes, seniority, censorship, and nepotism because there never was a way to make people put some skin in the game.
It's exciting to see what can happen when money is tied very closely to the rating mechanism to determine what rises to the top.
Can it be gamed? Sure. Costco can sell $1.50 hotdogs at a loss, too. But the question is will this be better than the other ways of doing it. We're finding out zap by zap.
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I don't think so. A stacker like that would have a low trust score, so their zapping wouldn't move the needle much on posts. Also, zap size is counted logarithmically, so it becomes very expensive to elevate content as a single zapper.
A handful of downzappers could take down such a whale.
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Do not underestimate them... there are many here with multiple accounts, playing around.
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That is a potential problem. I think it matters whether their multiple accounts have high global trust, though.
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I would guess this is why discernment is so important.
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I have zappe what I can on every post to which I reply, however, I am not seeing zaps coming my way on many posts. I now think that the zaps I have given in the past are nothing more than sunk costs. I think I should align myself with the non-zappers and let the leader board and the “rewards” take care of themselves. There is no need for original posts under the current system, is there? Perhaps not zapping is zapping wisely, no?
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You might also have come to terms that many people here are likely already getting an avalanche of trump/harris information outside of SN and likely don't wanna see more of it here. I for one only zap things i wanna see more of.
But who knows, these people might come after all, so you might end up being the source people trust for this kind of information in the future.
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I intentionally stop following partisan political news every October, so that's one less potential consumer right here.
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Perhaps more than one, however, how do you figure out where to put your money, when you don’t know who would restrict all cryptocurrencies, except for the handy-dandy CBDC that everyone is simply clamoring for? Bitcoin?!?! Outlawed!! Then where would you be?
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I follow this stuff closely (or at leas I used to) up until October. As we approach the election stories become less accurate and more manipulative, so I just ignore it all. I already no what I think and any truly important story can wait for November.
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Huh???? The stories about politics are never accurate and were always very manipulative. No, the truly important stories may not be able to wait until November. NATO or nuclear? Troops on the ground in Israel? More billions for war wastage but not for NC? I don’t think some of these stories are advantaged by our ignorance. In some of these cases, ignorance is not bliss.
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The stories about politics are never accurate and were always very manipulative.
It's a difference in degree, not kind.
No, the truly important stories may not be able to wait until November
I already no what I think about the topics on the table. If something crazy happens, like a nuclear strike, then I'm sure I'll hear about it. It's not likely to change my opinion about anything, though.
I recommend trying it. You'll find when November rolls around that you really didn't need to get all worked about any of this stuff in the moment. If the same level of attention were being paid throughout the year, there would be even more things to be outraged about.
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I guess the difference in degree would be about same as the difference between the 3rd degree and the 33rd degree. Sometimes the difference in degree is like the difference between survival and non-survival. I just do not choose non-survival, if I can help it.
I understand not wanting to stand in the deluge of partisan propaganda and kaka. I thought there was a different point of view of the posts I was making. However, I guess it is not unique enough.
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some posts deserve to be zapped.
By "zap wisely" I am not saying to not zap at all.
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Perhaps no zaps is zapping wisely in an environment where there is no reciprocity.
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I don't believe in reciprocity. I believe in truth and good content.
I will not zap you because you zapped me in the past. I will zap you because I will consider that your post deserve it.
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Do you think there will be zaps of sats when there doesn’t appear to be reciprocity? Without some reciprocity, perhaps the whole zap system will go down in flames. If you get so finicky on zapping, you may find that there are no posts and comments to zap.
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Understood
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You see, I saw many here zapping 10-20-30-50 sats on any comment, just for the sake of zapping, with the mindset that if they zap on each comment they see will get more in daily rewards.
That's wrong behavior and they will regret each sat thrown away.
In the beginning I was also zapping each reply that people gave me. But then I realized that those zaps are for nothing, for a simple reply, for example like you just did "Understood"... is like a confirmation. So I really need to zap you because you understood? No.
Ah you came back and with a reply where you explain something and that answer is useful for me or I like it, then yes, you get my sats.
As I said: zap the good content and zap wisely, not erratically. Damn it are real sats these... WE ARE PAYING FOR EACH POST OR COMMENT HERE. This is what really matters, but people still don't get it.
The leaderboard is a nice game, but you should be aware that you are playing around with real sats, not crap shitcoins.
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I've gone through the same evolution on zapping replies.
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Thank you for the useful reply. Don’t zap this.
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It can take a little while for people to start following you, especially if you're mostly posting links. Look at Rsync's posts and he's been doing it a long time.
I've also noticed that you often post later in the evening and at night, which can be kind of dead.
I often advise people to hang out in the comments until stackers get to know them. Then their posts will get more traction.
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Ok, I can see what you say is reasonable. Late at night is when I can post, even if it is dead. I will look at some of Rsync’s posts, soonest.
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I just meant that he posts dozens of links everyday and many of them don't get zapped at all.
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because many times he post kind of garbage.
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One man's trash is another man's treasure. Unfortunately for him, those men are not here.
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Yes, garbage for those that have eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear.
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I think I am posting items that will be of interest to people in those special posting areas. Econ for economics and etc. I have become to think that people do not often read the articles themselves, but comment on what they see in the post, itself.
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